Dear snipers that like to sit in the way back in the redzone, eff all of you. it is one of the worst ill honored B I T C H move tactic I've ever come across in any FPS, especially when an entire squad decides to do it, and counter sniping you brings me a joyful but shamelful sense of satisfaction, I shouldnt stop what I'm doing in a game to go and equip me rifle and shoot snipers that think they are smart and "exploiting game mechanics" and snipers that dont know how to properly watch their own asses in the active zone and its sorta like reverse spawn camping....or a more literal meaning of it.

And ccp needs to either not give them sp for doing this (sorta like in Killzone 3 when you cant hide and get points outside the active area)....or after a certain amount of meters not allow this to happen. Snipe like a real sniper, you'll grow better that way >: D

Heh thank you, I only thought about it due to Killzone where you cant earn points in the Body guard parts of the match by trying to hide way where its almost impossible to get at the target.

Well yes..you fail at it quite well...it wasnt funny and i still feel smarter : D

Welp there will always be those players that cant get kills the manly way

Yes the point of a sniper is to be unseen and unreachable, and yeah a sniper is doing their job...but at the same time thats like saying spawn camping is the best thing to do cus the game is about killing the other players...its unfair and breaks the balance, those aspects tend to lead to making games unplayable.

And I said snipers that sit way in the back of the redzone, meaning that you wont be able to touch them within the time limit given, or if there is a bunch of them in the redzone an you cannot possibly get to even one of them since you're forced to take snipers on head on instead of trying to get around them. Your OP AR will be about as good as a rock.

And like i said it breaks the integrity and immersion of a game of "war" when there is a place that the other team cannot walk on without exploding, that never happens in any war, videogame or real...so I still think it is a really bad mechanic to exploit, and i dont feel demoralized about getting killed by that kind of sniper, I just feel cheated and annoyed, which should never happen in any game. I feel like that if the sniper is in the play zone and has legitimately outsmarted me. not by taking the cheapest of all shots.

I'm a sniper and shot gunner...

I'm a sniper and shot gunner...

OMG....thats genius...you can't get WP when your in the redzone lol XD, why have we not thought of this simple fix before

See..now that's a smart arguement actually, I guess this just boils down to one man's mercy is another man's grace. Like yeah that's the purpose it was intended for..but that same luxury can be used for foul play....I guess there's no real way to fix it though...

Dear snipers that like to sit in the way back in the redzone, eff all of you. it is one of the worst ill honored B I T C H move tactic I've ever come across in any FPS, especially when an entire squad decides to do it, and counter sniping you brings me a joyful but shamelful sense of satisfaction, I shouldnt stop what I'm doing in a game to go and equip me rifle and shoot snipers that think they are smart and "exploiting game mechanics" and snipers that dont know how to properly watch their own asses in the active zone and its sorta like reverse spawn camping....or a more literal meaning of it.

And ccp needs to either not give them sp for doing this (sorta like in Killzone 3 when you cant hide and get points outside the active area)....or after a certain amount of meters not allow this to happen. Snipe like a real sniper, you'll grow better that way >: D

See..now that's a smart arguement actually, I guess this just boils down to one man's mercy is another man's grace. Like yeah that's the purpose it was intended for..but that same luxury can be used for foul play....I guess there's no real way to fix it though...

There is. No WP\kills to whoever killing from redzone or killing in redzone, that will fix a bit pubstombing & 1k - 1.6k hp redline TAR-07 snipers. Smart ones are realy hard to kill.

Imagine proto heavy 1600+ hp with TAR-07, hiding behind LLAV. You need at least 2 snipers with Kaalakiotas shooting simultaneously in the head 3-4 bullets, & heavy head hitbox can say foockya, no headshot!

No longer needed or useful..... Which after figuring out that the fix for redline snipers is to kill them, your thread is no longer needed or useful.

good day

Then again...I would say that "if im chasing down an enemy I wouldnt want him/her trying to run over the border so that my kill doesnt count and they've trolled me" thats the only way I see how that fix would backfire...but at the same time the redzone is never defined anyways so it'd be hard to find that border line.

There is maps with no place to counter-snipe to some locations or sniper rifles able to kill something with 1600+ hp. It's a problem & it's need to be fixed. Dust dies & we loosing players because of those "poor designed" maps, mechanics etc.

Yes the point of a sniper is to be unseen and unreachable, and yeah a sniper is doing their job...but at the same time thats like saying spawn camping is the best thing to do cus the game is about killing the other players...its unfair and breaks the balance, those aspects tend to lead to making games unplayable.

And I said snipers that sit way in the back of the redzone, meaning that you wont be able to touch them within the time limit given, or if there is a bunch of them in the redzone an you cannot possibly get to even one of them since you're forced to take snipers on head on instead of trying to get around them. Your OP AR will be about as good as a rock.

And like i said it breaks the integrity and immersion of a game of "war" when there is a place that the other team cannot walk on without exploding, that never happens in any war, videogame or real...so I still think it is a really bad mechanic to exploit, and i dont feel demoralized about getting killed by that kind of sniper, I just feel cheated and annoyed, which should never happen in any game. I feel like that if the sniper is in the play zone and has legitimately outsmarted me. not by taking the cheapest of all shots.

I did kill one guy like that cus he couldnt run away...but to the other persons defense, it doesnt take long for a heavy sniper to hide behind a hill or other structure, most smart snipers have a place nearby to hide behind, usually countered by moving around to their flank, but NOPE..that redzone. flawless

You can't kill THAT with rail tank, he will drive away in he's LLAV.

The first half of your argument is almost like saying OMG im a shotgunner..its unfair that I dont have range! you pick a class not just for its perks, but to also accept the consequences of picking the class and taking to those risks...also there are plenty PLENTY of places on the active map that are well hidden and hard to get to also a good sniper knows that after several shots or if their position is compromised MOVE to a different spot its call strategy and watching your butt, like the nasa rocket ship looking- building or the phallic-shaped sky scrapers, even big arse heavies can snipe with forge guns successfully if they're good enough...I'd hate to see how redline snipers fair at sniping in any other shooter that has no redline...and for the record i didnt say they were bad till someone just pointed it out...and it isnt fair that a person can sit on a mass of land with breathable air and atmosphere and for some odd reason other people can't walk around in it without dropping dead all of a sudden, shot gunners dont get that if someone is outside their firing range.

Though I will say, in defense to your argument that snipers should be able to go either prone or cloak themselves (which I hear is gonna be coming soon.) I am a sniper/ Shot gun main, and when I'm sniping I occassionally look around, I scope out the immediate area, zoom in on places other snipers are likely to be, and the places that are in my field of view, and If im not carrying nova knives (which i use to hunt other snipers) im carrying a pistol or sub machine gun, maybe they arent rifles, but they get the job done when needed (though not everyone has proto sidearms)

**** everyone is so worried about their K/D they'll stoop to anything in this game instead of getting good (not aimed at you, i was still talking about the redliners)

Dear snipers that like to sit in the way back in the redzone, eff all of you. it is one of the worst ill honored B I T C H move tactic I've ever come across in any FPS, especially when an entire squad decides to do it, and counter sniping you brings me a joyful but shamelful sense of satisfaction, I shouldnt stop what I'm doing in a game to go and equip me rifle and shoot snipers that think they are smart and "exploiting game mechanics" and snipers that dont know how to properly watch their own asses in the active zone and its sorta like reverse spawn camping....or a more literal meaning of it.

And ccp needs to either not give them sp for doing this (sorta like in Killzone 3 when you cant hide and get points outside the active area)....or after a certain amount of meters not allow this to happen. Snipe like a real sniper, you'll grow better that way >: D

That... was the chittiest excuse for redline sniping i've ever heard, hell even for sniping period o,0...you made it sound like becuase you're super inefficient and bad at being a sniper, you rely on **** tactics to compensate for lack of skill and therefore just proved my point entirely and better than I could have ever argued it...

...you are my hero.

You obviously dunno what sniping is or should be like in terms of fairness (which is an aspect that usually either makes or not make people want to play a game) so that statement was quite invalid...just becuase something is possible to do..does not mean it should be done, but i digress...you should read a how to make a game book : D and yes a sniper in the redzone may not be able to hit on the other side of the map or opposite sides of buildings, but sometimes there may be a target area on their side, or a serious battle going on in their field of view

And yes they can be counter sniped..but thats it..thats all one can do, im fortunate enough to have spec'd into decent sniper rifles and I just happen to be ok at sniping, but for people that dont, its a real pain and not fair that redline snipers are in an area that is literally unreachable by land or air, stuff like that breaks what would otherwise be a good game.

and being a sniper isnt just about shooting ****, its also about securing and scoping out a good area, using their head, and a vantage point, though you may think hiding in the redzone is all of that, it really messes with the integrity of a game, in no situation irl (or other games) is there an area that people cant walk into where others can walk, thats just called bull.

Also...it's literally a B I T C H thing to do...usually why other games try to negate that problem

More like F EGG ET 514...in your case >: D

And for your sake I hope we dont meet...unlike you my K/D comes from being a better player...not gimmicks, and I hope you meet the end of my bullet one day...though I dunno if i'll remember your name if I ever do it...

RUSH man I had fun sniping your team last match. To bad I could not find you to say hello. If you want to I will be more than glad to train you and show you a few things to show you I am not such a bad guy, just an evil sniper. Serious though hit me up I will try and help anyway I can.

o,0 you seriously trying to lie kid, you really that spineless and high on pcp? though I only played one game and I just scored 5/0...then logged out realizing that my sp is still maxed out...also random people on my team doesnt represent me...but i..might have shot you...were you on some beam supports earlier?

And yeh I shall look you up, could use some rivals...I only know one other person in this game u.u

o,0 you seriously trying to lie kid, you really that spineless and high on pcp? though I only played one game and I just scored 5/0...then logged out realizing that my sp is still maxed out...also random people on my team doesnt represent me...but i..might have shot you...were you on some beam supports earlier?

And yeh I shall look you up, could use some rivals...I only know one other person in this game u.u

No i mean like what if the offender is in the action zone, but so close to the border they can just cross to the redzone if they sense or see danger (its sorta happened a couple times, i'd shoot at a guy and when i miss they scamper off way into the redzone if they manage to get out my range.

I don't mind snipers generally, but it's aggravating if you can't shoot back.

I find if a sniper is far enough in the red line, it's impossible to attack them on foot. So, counter-snipe, right? Well, it seems like the texture/rendering glitch is still alive and well, because I've gotten a bead on redline snipers before but have found my shots unable to register (eaten by hill, or who knows what else).

That's problematic. For counter-sniping to be a solution to the problem, the sniper rifle I aim with the reticule red, unwavering, on a stationary target.... should have the hits actually register. Redline sniping should not be a zero-risk venture. Though I feel I'm complaining more about texture-glitch/rendering issues, which are bugs more-so than the practice of redline sniping itself. As long as things like that exist, redline sniping is a bit broken though, it's just a matter of whether or not the player knows how to exploit it.

16 vs 16 domi match, 6 players on one side attempting to capture the point (maybe 4 or 5) and the rest with militia sniper rifles and their starter fits sitting at the ground spawn shooting into the active zone for an entire match. The other side using no snipers and capturing the point. Their whole team was on point and unable to be seen from ground spawn on the north side of manus peak. Also not able to be seen from the ground spawn on the south side of manus peak.

Also...whats with everyone saying boo hoo..i said a million times i killed the *******...ugh human nature always wanting to pick at something...

Dear snipers that like to sit in the way back in the redzone, eff all of you. it is one of the worst ill honored B I T C H move tactic I've ever come across in any FPS, especially when an entire squad decides to do it, and counter sniping you brings me a joyful but shamelful sense of satisfaction, I shouldnt stop what I'm doing in a game to go and equip me rifle and shoot snipers that think they are smart and "exploiting game mechanics" and snipers that dont know how to properly watch their own asses in the active zone and its sorta like reverse spawn camping....or a more literal meaning of it.

And ccp needs to either not give them sp for doing this (sorta like in Killzone 3 when you cant hide and get points outside the active area)....or after a certain amount of meters not allow this to happen. Snipe like a real sniper, you'll grow better that way >: D

You obviously dunno what sniping is or should be like in terms of fairness (which is an aspect that usually either makes or not make people want to play a game) so that statement was quite invalid...just becuase something is possible to do..does not mean it should be done, but i digress...you should read a how to make a game book : D and yes a sniper in the redzone may not be able to hit on the other side of the map or opposite sides of buildings, but sometimes there may be a target area on their side, or a serious battle going on in their field of view

And yes they can be counter sniped..but thats it..thats all one can do, im fortunate enough to have spec'd into decent sniper rifles and I just happen to be ok at sniping, but for people that dont, its a real pain and not fair that redline snipers are in an area that is literally unreachable by land or air, stuff like that breaks what would otherwise be a good game.

and being a sniper isnt just about shooting ****, its also about securing and scoping out a good area, using their head, and a vantage point, though you may think hiding in the redzone is all of that, it really messes with the integrity of a game, in no situation irl (or other games) is there an area that people cant walk into where others can walk, thats just called bull.

Also...it's literally a B I T C H thing to do...usually why other games try to negate that problem

I don't mind snipers generally, but it's aggravating if you can't shoot back.

I find if a sniper is far enough in the red line, it's impossible to attack them on foot. So, counter-snipe, right? Well, it seems like the texture/rendering glitch is still alive and well, because I've gotten a bead on redline snipers before but have found my shots unable to register (eaten by hill, or who knows what else).

That's problematic. For counter-sniping to be a solution to the problem, the sniper rifle I aim with the reticule red, unwavering, on a stationary target.... should have the hits actually register. Redline sniping should not be a zero-risk venture. Though I feel I'm complaining more about texture-glitch/rendering issues, which are bugs more-so than the practice of redline sniping itself. As long as things like that exist, redline sniping is a bit broken though, it's just a matter of whether or not the player knows how to exploit it.

I can respect that, though I dunno how they would even nerf a sniper...ironically statwise and aim-wise I believe its the most fair skilled weapon in the game and most of my posts are actually about buffing some of the hammered weapons at least halfway back to their former glory! RIP my poor flaylock and Glu 5 Tact....